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In re S.B. CA3

California Court of Appeal

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Filed 3/26/26 In re S.B. CA3
NOT TO BE PUBLISHED
California Rules of Court, rule 8.1115(a), prohibits courts and parties from citing or relying on opinions not certified for publication or
ordered published, except as specified by rule 8.1115(b). This opinion has not been certified for publication or ordered published for
purposes of rule 8.1115.

IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA

THIRD APPELLATE DISTRICT

(Sutter)

In re S.B. et al., Persons Coming Under the Juvenile
Court Law.

SUTTER COUNTY HEALTH AND HUMAN C103702
SERVICES DEPARTMENT,
(Super. Ct. Nos.
Plaintiff and Respondent, DPSQ210000001,
DPSQ210000002,
v. DPSQ210000003,
DPSQ210000004,
R.S. et al., DPSQ210000005,
DPSQ210000006,
Defendants and Appellants. DPSQ210000007 &
DPSQ210000046)

Appellant M.B. (mother) is the mother of the eight children that are the subject of
these proceedings. Appellant R.S. (father) is the father of all but the oldest child, Ma.B.
Mother and father (together, the parents) separately appeal from the juvenile court’s
orders terminating parental rights and freeing the minors for adoption. They raise
numerous issues on appeal and join in each other’s arguments. We agree with the parents
only as to their argument that the juvenile court failed to conduct a proper inquiry into the

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minors’ ancestry and, therefore, we conditionally reverse the orders and remand for
compliance with the Indian Child Welfare Act (ICWA) (25 U.S.C. § 1901 et seq.; Welf.
& Inst. Code, § 224.2).1
BACKGROUND
2022 Juvenile Dependency Petitions
On September 28, 2022, the respondent Sutter County Health and Human Services
Department (the Department) filed juvenile dependency petitions pursuant to section 300
as to all eight children, the boys Ma.B., B.B., and Sam.B., and the girls N.B., Sa.B., Z.B.,
So.B., and F.B. Father is not the biological father of Ma.B., whose biological father is
not a party to these proceedings.
The petitions alleged the parents had been involved in a prior dependency matter
in Yuba and Sutter Counties in 2020. In that prior matter, it was reported that mother
used a dog shock collar on the two younger brothers as discipline and to toilet train them.
Additionally, the parents’ house was in a dirty and unsanitary condition, and several of
the children had “noticeably rotten teeth.” The parents entered into a safety plan, and, in
2021, the children were returned to the custody and care of the parents, and the case was
closed.
Factually, the present petitions alleged that, on September 26, 2022, two of the
children were found outside unattended. Social workers responded and, based on the
circumstances in the home, all children were placed in protective custody. One child, the
female Sa.B., was wearing a dog harness, and the house was unsanitary and cluttered.
There was brown mold in the bathroom sink, and clothes were piled in the shower. The
kitchen stove was stained with food and had black spots on it. One bedroom had clothing
covering the entire floor and had brown stains on the wall. There were flies swarming

1 Undesignated section references are to the Welfare and Institutions Code.

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around two sleeping children. Five of the children, the girls, had brown stains on their
legs and feet, and red bite marks on their arms and legs.
On October 27, 2022, the juvenile court sustained the petitions.
Detention, Placement, and Return of the Children to the Parents
The Department was unable to place all eight children together. The three boys,
Ma.B., B.B., and Sam.B. were placed together in Sutter County. As for the girls, N.B.
and So.B. were placed together in Yuba County, Z.B. and F.B. were placed together in
Sutter County, and the female Sa.B. was placed on her own in Yuba County.
At a detention hearing, the juvenile court appointed attorney Donald Wahlberg,
Jr., to represent the children. The court found initial removal of the children was
necessary and ordered the children detained and committed to the care, custody, and
control of the Department. The court ordered visitation with the parents.
In an October 25, 2022, addendum report, the Department agreed that the parents
had improved conditions in their home, and it appeared to be safe for the children.
However, the Department stated that, historically, the family had not been able to make
lasting changes to their behavior. The Department also stated that the parents were not
willing to engage, and seemed unwilling to take accountability for their actions. The
Department expressed concern that the parents’ “lack of personal [responsibility] and
resistance to working with the Department, will put the children at risk of living in
similar circumstances that existed at detention.”
In a disposition report dated November 10, 2022, the Department recommended
that the children be ordered into the family reunification program with the parents. At a
disposition hearing on December 1, 2022, the juvenile court found that, since the removal
of the children, the parents’ progress had been minimal. The court found that continued
placement was necessary, and continued the supervision of the children under the
Department. The court ordered the parents into the family reunification program with the
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An interim review report described the parents’ home as clean. The parents had
been consistently attending visits, and had only missed “a few.” Father had been engaged
and interactive with all of the children. Mother would often be off to the side with one or
two children, or on her cell phone, and less engaged. Ma.B., the oldest child, often
helped tend to his siblings. On March 7, 2023, the juvenile court continued the children’s
commitment with the Department, and found the parents’ progress adequate.
At a June 1, 2023, review hearing, the juvenile court declined the request to
transfer the matter to Tehama County, directed the parents to make specified
improvements to their new Tehama County property, and directed the Department to
inspect that property.
On June 29, 2023, the juvenile court found that the parents’ progress had been
adequate. The court found that placement of the children in foster care was no longer
necessary, and the return of the children to the parents would not create a substantial risk
of detriment to their safety, protection, or physical or emotional well-being. The court
ordered the minors returned to the parents under the family maintenance program. The
court also granted the transfer of the matter to Tehama County.
2023 Supplemental Juvenile Dependency Petitions
Eight days later, on July 7, 2023, the Department filed supplemental juvenile
dependency petitions under section 387, and the juvenile court issued protective custody
warrants for each child. The petitions alleged that, on July 6, 2023, at 3:15 a.m., a
motorist encountered Z.B., who was one year old, and So.B., who was four years old,
alone by the road. Z.B. was wearing a dog harness. The motorist and a neighbor brought
the children to the family residence, where the older children were calling for them. No
adults from the family home were seen.
Detention and Placement of the Children
A detention report stated that all of the children had been returned to the foster
homes where they were previously placed. At a detention hearing on July 11, 2023, the

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children were committed to the care and custody of the Department. The juvenile court
transferred the matter back to Sutter County.
On September 15, 2023, the juvenile court sustained the July 7, 2023, petitions.
On the same date, the court found that the ICWA did not apply.
At a disposition hearing on November 1, 2023, the juvenile court found the
progress the parents had made to be minimal and found continued placement of the
children necessary. The court ordered the parents into the family reunification program
with the children.
On January 11, 2024, the juvenile court granted the request that James Vasquez be
appointed as counsel for the children, replacing Wahlberg.
Termination of Reunification Services and Adoption Assessments
In a review hearing on February 22, 2024, the Department requested that
reunification services be terminated, stating that the deficiencies in parenting skills which
led to the removal of the children continued to exist. The attorney for the children agreed
that returning to the parents’ home would not be in the children’s best interests. He
requested that reunification services be terminated, and the matter be set for a section
366.26 hearing.
The juvenile court found that the parents had made minimal progress toward
improving the circumstances necessitating placement. The court found that the parents
lacked any real understanding of why the children were removed. The court ordered
reunification services terminated. The court found that the children constituted a sibling
group within the meaning of section 361.5, subdivision (a)(1)(C), and set the matter for a
section 366.26 hearing.
In May 2024, the California Department of Social Services (CDSS) submitted
adoption assessment reports for the children, one for each group housed together. CDSS
determined that all of the children were likely to be adopted and recommended
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Section 366.26 Report
The section 366.26 report recommended termination of parental rights and a plan
of adoption for the children.
Of the children’s particular needs, the report stated that Ma.B. had no
developmental concerns and did not qualify for services. B.B. had no developmental
concerns but did receive services “due to his increasing maladaptive behaviors.” Sam.B.
had no developmental concerns and received services. F.B. had some sensory issues and
speech delays, and was receiving services, but her mental health screening did not
identify any concerns. Z.B., N.B., and So.B. had no developmental or mental health
concerns. Sa.B. had a primary diagnosis of autism and a secondary diagnosis of speech
or language impairment.
The report stated the current caregivers were willing to provide the permanency of
adoption. The boys appeared happy, had emotional ties to the prospective adoptive
parents, and stated that living with them was “good.” They “reported a desire to remain
in the care of their current resource parents.” Sa.B. did not interview due to her
“developmental barriers,” and the other girls did not interview due to their ages.
The report noted that the parents had visited consistently, every week. Visits were
“generally chaotic, with both parents struggling to maintain the attention of all of their
children, whether virtual or in-person.” Father engaged with the children and attempted,
unsuccessfully, to regulate their behavior. Mother engaged “sporadically,” but often
remained quiet and frequently ordered father to attend to the children. Mother appeared
alternately despondent, engaged, or demanding. In general, the report characterized the
visits as lacking direction, the children would become dysregulated, and the parents
struggled to manage behaviors.
F.B. and Z.B. were loud and chaotic during visits. Sa.B. wandered about, had
tantrums, and yelled and screamed for attention. The mother “struggle[d] to engage with

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her . . . .” The boys’ interactions with the parents were “limited,” and they spent much of
the visitation time on electronic devices.
According to the Department, a CDSS report noted that, “while the children ‘may
enjoy parts of their visits . . . visits do not facilitate a necessary safe and healthy living
environment . . . for any of the siblings.’ ” The parents “often do not exhibit an
understanding of what is appropriate to share.” The visit schedule remained frequent
even though services had been terminated.
Meanwhile, the children had developed strong relationships with their caregivers,
with whom they lived in stable homes. The Department stated that there “is no doubt that
the children love their biological parents, but love does not equate to safety, and that is
what the Department must assess in the children’s best interest.” The Department
recommended the termination of parental rights and freeing the children for adoption.
Addendum Reports
Addendum report number three, dated December 3, 2024, noted that Sa.B. was
experiencing increased behavioral challenges, and connected those challenges to
visitation. Her resource parent stated that the child would, among other things, isolate
and hide under her blanket. On one occasion, when her resource parent informed her it
was a visit day, Sa.B. screamed, hit, and said no repeatedly. She also had begun drawing
on the walls, which she did when struggling. Meanwhile, S.B.’s and N.B.’s caregiver
reported that, after visitation, they were more anxious and impatient with each other.
Addendum report number four, dated January 7, 2025, noted that Ma.B. declined
to attend one-hour virtual visits on Mondays and Wednesdays. His Thursday virtual
visits were shortened from 60 to 30 minutes at his request.
Addendum report number five, dated March 6, 2025, stated the boys appeared
happy in their foster home, they had good relationships with the substitute care providers
and their extended family, and the substitute care providers would like to adopt them.
Ma.B. was excelling in school with straight A’s, B.B. was doing well socially and

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improving academically, and Sa.B. was struggling to follow directions and keep his
hands to himself. All three boys appeared more agitated around visitation. However, all
three boys registered a desire to return home to the parents. If they could not do so, they
preferred to remain with their current care providers. Ma.B. specified that he wanted to
maintain contact with the parents. As for the girls, Sa.B. was very comfortable and calm
in her placement home and was effectively using language. She was the highest
functioning child in her classroom. However, she continued to experience difficulties
after visits, including isolating, not letting her care provider change her, “los[ing] her
words” and screaming in her sleep after visits. N.B. and So.B. were doing well
academically and emotionally. However, after visits, they tended to “ ‘nitpick’ ” one
another and fight, and they behaved aggressively and rudely. F.B. and Z.B. were calm
and comfortable in their placement home, as contrasted with their behavior during visits,
when they would scream and be agitated.
According to addendum report number six, dated April 1, 2025, the parents were
having difficulty engaging with the children during virtual visits, and there appeared “to
be a decline in the children’s desire to engage with virtual visits.” Ma.B. explained that
he had wanted his Thursday virtual visits shortened to 30 minutes not because he did not
want to see the parents, but because he had difficulty engaging with them for a full hour.
During in-person visits, mother asked many questions and father tended to the children.
The girls Sa.B., Z.B., and F.B. were continuing to experience difficulties around the time
of visits. According to her resource parents, the more Sa.B. attended visits, the more she
regressed in her behavior, and it took 24 to 48 hours for her to return to her “baseline”
behavior. Her regressions included screaming, not using language, hitting, biting, and
having difficulty sleeping. Z.B. and F.B. reported that they did not want to attend visits.
Both of them had been observed crying when they were picked up for visits, and they
often had a difficult time “settling” once they returned to the resource home. Reportedly,
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returning home to the parents.” The four resource families had “developed strong
connections with one another, and are committed to maintaining sibling contact outside
of the current scheduled visits. They often meet at local venues for ice cream, food,
and/or to celebrate holidays. The resource families have committed to a minimum of
once a month visitation.”
Bonding Study
A bonding study completed for father by Dr. Elizabeth Stanton, a clinical
psychologist, concluded: “[T]he children engage in healthy attachment behaviors toward
Father. Father responds to their overtures, and his support was sought after when the
children needed help or direction. When playing, the children welcomed Father. When it
was time for departure, none of the children engaged with Father negatively. [¶] Overall,
the interactions between Father and the children were positive, playful, reciprocal, and
appropriate. Considering the beneficial relationship that exists between the children and
their father, severing contact could be detrimental. Even if not immediately destabilizing,
there may be challenges related to negotiating the ambiguous loss that can result when
there is a healthy parent-child relationship that is severed without significant reason. [¶]
. . . It is recommended to consider the substantial, positive relationship observed between
the children and their father when making any determinations regarding the future of all
parties.”
Section 366.26 Hearing Testimony
Ma.B.
Ma.B. was 14 years old and was getting all A’s as a high school freshman. Asked
how he liked living with his foster parents, he testified that “[i]t’s great,” and that they
took good care of him. He did not know how he felt about adoption. He was fine with
being adopted by his foster mother, but he did not want to be adopted by anyone else, and
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Ma.B. was afraid that, if he was adopted, he would not be able to see the parents
anymore. He still wanted to see his parents. The juvenile court asked Ma.B. how he
would feel if he were not to see his parents again until after he turned 18, and Ma.B.
responded, “I don’t know. I feel like I’d be sad for my parents. I’d be okay. I feel my
parents will miss me a lot.” The court asked, “[b]ut for you, would it be in your best [sic]
to be adopted,” “for you and your brothers,” and Ma.B. responded, “Yeah.”
The father’s attorney asked if Ma.B. was fine with adoption but was afraid he
would not see his parents anymore, and Ma.B. agreed. The father’s attorney asked how
Ma.B. would feel if he did not get to see his parents anymore, and he responded, “I don’t
know. At first I feel like I would cry a bit and once I get over it, I’ll be okay. I’m afraid
for my parents.”
The father’s attorney asked if Ma.B. had said he thought it was best for him to be
adopted, and he responded, “Yeah.” Asked why he thought it best if he were adopted,
Ma.B. stated, “the parents that I have, I really like them. I want to be with them. I didn’t
want to stay–I don’t want to go to another parent. I’d rather just get adopted than stay in
foster care.” When the father’s attorney made clear that the juvenile court was not
considering adoption by anyone other than his foster parents, Ma.B. responded, “Oh,
okay. Like going with someone else? Because I’ve been told a lot . . . .” The father’s
attorney reassured Ma.B. that he would not be moving to a different place, and the court
agreed and said, “[d]on’t worry about that.”
The father’s attorney asked, “[L]et’s just say for a second that you were adopted
by the people that you’re living with,” and “you weren’t able to see your parents again.
Would you still want to be adopted?” Ma.B. responded, “Yeah. I don’t know. Yeah.
But it’s hard not seeing my parents for like four years.” He continued: “Like if I could
say–let’s say I said no, and if I was able to give a choice to see my parents, I would
probably do it. Not be adopted, yeah.” The father’s attorney clarified, “Because you

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want to see your parents,” and Ma.B. responded, “Yeah.” The thought of not seeing his
parents anymore made Ma.B. sad.
Ma.B. testified that he had been told there were two options, adoption, or stay in
foster care. He testified, “I wanted to see if there was an option like I if I couldn’t go
back home because–sorry.” With some encouragement, he continued, “If I could stay
with [the foster mother], and if I couldn’t go back home, I would stay with [the foster
mother], and if there’s another choice of having to be adopted, but I can’t see my parents
no more. And then if that’s what I was asking [his attorney] about, was if I stayed in
foster care, would I still see my parents. [¶] And that’s what I wanted to do, if that was
possible, we’re not for sure.” Asked what his best-case scenario would be, Ma.B. stated,
“I don’t know. That’s a tough one.” He then stated that his number one choice “[f]or
sure” was to return home to the parents. His next choice would be to stay with his foster
mother and still be able to see his parents. His last choice would be to stay with his foster
mother and be adopted without his parents in his life.
The father’s attorney sought to clarify Ma.B.’s statement that he would not be
upset with the court if the court ordered adoption despite this being Ma.B.’s least favored
option. Ma.B. testified, “that’s his opinion. And I can’t change his choice. That’s his
choice. And I don’t have any choice. I have a say, I can say stuff, but I can’t change his
choice.” The father’s attorney asked, “Do you know that you have a choice?” Ma.B.
responded: “Yeah. But–I don’t know. Do I have a choice? I don’t know. I’m choosing
my choice but that’s if him–I don’t know.” Asked if he could say yes or no to adoption,
what would he say, Ma.B. responded: “I would say, no. Yeah.”
Ma.B would be upset and sad if he and his brothers were adopted and were not
able to see their sisters, because “I really love my sisters and I really love my
parents . . . .” He saw his sisters once or twice a week. Most recently, he saw them two
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B.B.
B.B. was 10 years old and in the fourth grade. The juvenile court asked if he liked
the foster mother, and he responded that he liked it better at the parents’ house. If he had
a choice, he would go back with his parents. He testified that he saw his sisters outside of
the parental visits, and that he saw them the previous week at a fast-food restaurant. The
time before that was “[l]ast year.”
Sam.B.
Sam.B. was nine years old and in the third grade. He testified that his foster
mother was good, and he liked living with her. If he had his choice between staying with
his foster mother and going back to his parents, he would go back to the parents. Outside
of the visits with the parents, he saw his sisters the previous Friday at a fast-food
restaurant. He did not remember when he saw them outside of the parental visits before
that, but it had been a long time.
Sherry Scott
Sherry Scott was the executive director of Ardent Family Services, Inc., and she
had been present for seven family visits. The parents had been engaged with the
children. Scott never had to encourage the children to interact with the parents, she never
had to terminate a visit early, and she had never been concerned for the safety of the
children.
It appeared to Scott that the parents loved the children, and the children loved the
parents. When their visits began, the children ran to the parents and they embraced.
They expressed their love for each other, said they missed each other, and sometimes
there were tears at the end of visitation. The parties stipulated that the children and the
parents were excited to see each other.
Scott testified that the visits could be “chaotic.” By this, she meant that there were
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Scott also testified that the two younger boys were “very angry at every visit,” they acted
disrespectfully, and they did not respond to redirection.
The Father
The father testified that, during virtual visits, the children were often distracted by
something above the computer monitor. There was a television directly above that
monitor. He also testified that there were often technical problems during virtual visits,
such as no sound and a blurry screen.
Section 366.26 Permanency Planning
Before discussing the juvenile court’s determination, we provide the framework
for section 366.26 permanency planning. The goal at the section 366.26 hearing is “ ‘to
select and implement a permanent plan for the child.’ [Citations.] To guide the court in
selecting the most suitable permanent arrangement, the statute lists plans in order of
preference and provides a detailed procedure for choosing among them. [Citation.]
According to that procedure, the court must first determine by clear and convincing
evidence whether the child is likely to be adopted. [Citation.] If so, and if the court finds
that there has been a previous determination that reunification services be terminated,
then the court shall terminate parental rights to allow for adoption. [Citation.] But if the
parent shows that termination would be detrimental to the child for at least one
specifically enumerated reason, the court should decline to terminate parental rights and
select another permanent plan. [Citation.] . . . ‘[T]he statutory exceptions merely permit
the court, in exceptional circumstances [citation], to choose an option other than the
norm, which remains adoption.’ ” (In re Caden C. (2021) 11 Cal.5th 614, 630-631
(Caden C.).) Thus, at the section 366.26 hearing, a juvenile court must choose one of the
“ ‘possible alternative permanent plans for a minor child. . . . The permanent plan
preferred by the Legislature is adoption. [Citation.]’ [Citations.] If the court finds the
child is adoptable, it must terminate parental rights absent circumstances under which it
would be detrimental to the child.” (In re Ronell A. (1996) 44 Cal.App.4th 1352, 1368.)

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The statutory exceptions apply if the juvenile court finds a “compelling reason for
determining that termination would be detrimental to the child” due to the existence of
the circumstances set forth in the exceptions. (§ 366.26, subd. (c)(1)(B).) One exception
is the beneficial parental relationship exception, which applies when the “parents have
maintained regular visitation and contact with the child and the child would benefit from
continuing the relationship.” (§ 366.26, subd. (c)(1)(B)(i).) The three elements the
parent must prove to establish this exception are: “(1) regular visitation and contact, and
(2) a relationship, the continuation of which would benefit the child such that (3) the
termination of parental rights would be detrimental to the child.” (Caden C., supra,
11 Cal.5th at p. 631.) Another exception is the sibling relationship exception. This
applies where the court finds there “would be substantial interference with a child’s
sibling relationship . . . .” (§ 366.26, subd. (c)(1)(B)(v).)
The Juvenile Court’s Ruling and Orders
The juvenile court found that reunification services had been terminated and that
all children were likely to be adopted, determinations not challenged here.
With regard to the beneficial parental relationship exception, the juvenile court
noted that the parties had stipulated that the first prong was met, and that, in any event, it
would have found that the parents satisfied their burden as to prong one.
Prong two was “a close call.” The juvenile court concluded: “when you take a
look at the age of the children, then the portion of the children[’s] li[ves] that they spent
with their parents as well as their other siblings, and then the positive or negative effect
of the interaction between parent and child, and then the child’s particular needs; again,
yes, there is an attachment. It is positive. I don’t know how substantial it is. Because
. . . they’re just as emotionally positive with the placements where they’re at now. So
. . . I’d say it’s a 50/50. And the parents have the obligation to prove by a preponderance
of the evidence, which . . . would mean 50.1. And I can’t necessarily say that on prong
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Turning to the third prong, the juvenile court stated that the parents’ ongoing
struggles with the issues that led to dependency were relevant to the benefit of continuing
their relationships with the children. The parents had failed to adequately address these
matters, and “failed to show that there’s been a change in circumstances that would
negate the need for parental rights to be terminated.”
The juvenile court found that the children had developed strong relationships with
their resource parents, who wanted to provide permanency. The court noted that the
younger children had spent most of their lives in the resource homes. The court stated
that the children deserved permanency in their current resource homes “rather than
continuing to languish in foster care with a high level of visitation with the parents.”
The juvenile court concluded that “the new stable home alleviates any emotional
instability and preoccupation, and then provides a new source of stability that will make
the loss of the parent not, at least on balance, detrimental.” The court found that the
parents did not meet their burden on prong three. The court denied the request for
guardianship.
As for the sibling bond exception, the juvenile court stated that the relevant factors
parallel those of the beneficial parental relationship exception. The court found it to be in
the children’s best interests that the sibling bonds continue. The court noted that,
according to the attorney for the children, the placement homes intended to continue to
promote the minors’ sibling bonds.
Thus, the juvenile court found that the beneficial parental relationship exception
and the sibling relationship exception did not apply. The court freed the children from
the custody and control of the parents, terminated parental rights, and ordered adoption as
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DISCUSSION
I
The Beneficial Parental Relationship Exception
The parents argue that the juvenile court erred in finding that they did not establish
the applicability of the beneficial parental relationship exception. We disagree.
As stated, the three elements the parent must prove to establish the beneficial
parental relationship exception are: “(1) regular visitation and contact, and (2) a
relationship, the continuation of which would benefit the child such that (3) the
termination of parental rights would be detrimental to the child.” (Caden C., supra,
11 Cal.5th at p. 631.) The party claiming the exception has the burden of establishing its
applicability. (Id. at pp. 636-637; In re Melvin A. (2000) 82 Cal.App.4th 1243, 1252;
Cal. Rules of Court, rule 5.725(d)(2).)2
“A substantial evidence standard of review applies to the first two elements.”
(Caden C., supra, 11 Cal.5th at p. 639.) “Substantial evidence is ‘reasonable, credible
evidence of solid value such that a reasonable trier of fact could make the findings
challenged . . . .’ ” (Adoption of Myah M. (2011) 201 Cal.App.4th 1518, 1539.) “The
third element . . . is somewhat different. . . . [T]he court must make a series of factual
determinations. . . . All these factual determinations are properly reviewed for substantial
evidence.” (Caden C., at p. 640.) “Yet the court must also engage in a delicate balancing
of these determinations as part of assessing the likely course of a future situation that’s
inherently uncertain. The decision is not the same as a determination whether to transfer
the child from the custody of one caregiver to another, but it does require assessing what
the child’s life would be like in an adoptive home without the parent in his life.
[Citation.] The court makes the assessment by weighing the harm of losing the

2 Undesignated references to rules are to the California Rules of Court.

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relationship against the benefits of placement in a new, adoptive home. And so, the
ultimate decision . . . is discretionary and properly reviewed for abuse of discretion.”
(Ibid.) “A court abuses its discretion only when ‘ “ ‘the trial court has exceeded the
limits of legal discretion by making an arbitrary, capricious, or patently absurd
determination.’ ” ’ ” (Id. at p. 641.) “At all proceedings under [section 366.26], the court
shall consider the wishes of the child and shall act in the best interests of the child.”
(§ 366.26, subd. (h)(1).)
A. Regular Visitation and Contact
The Department stipulated, and the parties agree, that the parents had regular
visitation and contact with the children, satisfying the first element.
B. A Relationship, the Continuation of Which Would Benefit the Child
Considering the second element, “courts assess whether ‘the child would benefit
from continuing the relationship.’ [Citation.] Again here, the focus is the child. And the
relationship may be shaped by a slew of factors, such as ‘[t]he age of the child, the
portion of the child’s life spent in the parent’s custody, the “positive” or “negative” effect
of interaction between parent and child, and the child’s particular needs.’ [Citation.]
. . . [C]ourts often consider how children feel about, interact with, look to, or talk about
their parents.” (Caden C., supra, 11 Cal.5th at p. 632; id. at p. 631.)
Here, the eight children range in age from the oldest, Ma.B., who was 14 years old
at the time of the section 366.26 hearing, to the youngest, Z.B., who was then three years
old.
When the children were detained in connection with the 2022 section 300 petition,
Ma.B. was 12. With the exception of approximately eight days in the summer of 2023,
when the children were briefly returned to the parents’ care, the children had been in
placement homes since September 26, 2022. Thus, although he had spent most of his life
with the parents, Ma.B. resided in a placement home for approximately two and a half
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when Z.B. was removed from the parents’ care in September 2022, she was
approximately 10 months old, and except for those eight days in 2023, she had been in
foster care ever since. By the time of the section 366.26 hearing, she had been in foster
care far longer than she had been in the parents’ care. All of the children had been out of
the parents’ care for years, and two of them had been out of the parents’ care for longer
than they had been with the parents.
Considering the “positive” or “negative” effects of interaction between the parents
and the children, we look to the record concerning visitation. The section 366.26 report
stated that visits were “generally chaotic, with both parents struggling to maintain the
attention of” the children. The father engaged with the children and attempted,
unsuccessfully, to regulate their behavior, while the mother engaged “sporadically.” The
children would become dysregulated. F.B. and Z.B. were loud and chaotic. The female
Sa.B. wandered about, had tantrums, and yelled for attention. The boys’ interactions with
the parents were “limited,” as they spent much of the time on electronic devices. The
report did state that there was no doubt that the children loved the parents.
Addendum report number three noted that the female Sa.B. was experiencing
increased behavioral challenges, and connected those challenges to visitation. After in-
person visits, she would isolate and hide under a blanket. On one occasion, when
informed that it was a visit day, she screamed, hit, and said no repeatedly. She was also
drawing on the walls, which she did when struggling. After visits, So.B. and N.B. were
more anxious and impatient with each other.
Addendum report number five noted that all three boys appeared more agitated
around visitation times. Sa.B. continued to experience difficulties after visits, including
isolating, “los[ing] her words,” and screaming in her sleep. N.B. and So.B. tended to
“ ‘nitpick’ ” at one another, fight, and behave aggressively and rudely after visits. F.B.
and Z.B. were calm and comfortable in their placement home, but would scream and be
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According to addendum report number six, the parents had difficulty engaging
with the children, and there appeared “to be a decline in the children’s desire to engage
with virtual visits.” Sa.B., Z.B., and F.B. continued to experience difficulties around the
time of the visits. The more Sa.B. attended visits, the more she regressed, including
screaming, not using language, hitting, biting, and having difficulty sleeping. Z.B. and
F.B. did not want to attend visits. Both had been observed crying when they were picked
up for visits, and had difficulty “settling” after. They also asked about whether they
could stay with the resource parent permanently rather than returning to the parents.
Dr. Elizabeth Stanton’s bonding study concluded that “the children engage in
healthy attachment behaviors toward Father.” She opined that “severing contact could be
detrimental. Even if not immediately destabilizing, there may be challenges related to
negotiating the ambiguous loss that can result when there is a healthy parent-child
relationship that is severed without significant reason. [¶] . . . It is recommended to
consider the substantial, positive relationship observed between the children and their
father . . . .”
According to the section 366.26 report, all three boys appeared happy in their
placement homes, had emotional ties to the prospective adoptive parents, and stated that
living with them is “good.” They “reported a desire to remain in the care of their current
resource parents.”
In his hearing testimony, Ma.B. stated his preferences were, in descending order of
desirability, returning home to the parents, remaining in his placement home but with a
continuing relationship with the parents, and adoption with no ongoing relationship with
the parents. The other two boys testified that, if they had their choice, they would go
back to the parents. We note that “[n]othing that happens at the section 366.26 hearing
allows the child to return to live with the parent.” (Caden C., 11 Cal.5th at p. 634.)
Further, while “[a]t all proceedings under [section 366.26], the court shall consider the
wishes of the child and shall act in the best interests of the child” (§ 366.26, subd. (h)(1)),

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a child’s wishes are not necessarily determinative of his or her best interests. (In re
Michael D. (1996) 51 Cal.App.4th 1074, 1087.)
Sherry Scott testified that the parents and the children loved each other. When
their visits begin, the children ran to the parents, and they embraced. They verbalized
their love for each other, they said they missed each other, and sometimes there were
tears at the end of visitation. Scott also testified, however, that both younger boys were
“very angry at every visit.” They acted disrespectfully and did not respond to redirection.
She characterized the visits as chaotic, but specified that she meant “a lot of kids in
various ages with various interests who have to follow a lot of rules.”
We conclude that the evidence discussed above, and in particular that related to
(1) the time the children had been out of the parents’ care, and (2) the negative effect of
interaction on the children around visitation, constitutes substantial evidence supporting
the juvenile court’s determination on prong two, that the parents failed to prove the
existence of a relationship, the continuation of which would benefit the children. On
substantial evidence review, “the power of an appellate court begins and ends with the
determination as to whether, on the entire record, there is substantial evidence,
contradicted or uncontradicted, which will support the determination, and when two or
more inferences can reasonably be deduced from the facts, a reviewing court is without
power to substitute its deductions for those of the trial court.” (Bowers v. Bernards
(1984) 150 Cal.App.3d 870, 873-874, italics omitted.)
C. Whether Termination Would Be Detrimental to the Child
“[I]n assessing whether termination would be detrimental, the trial court must
decide whether the harm from severing the child’s relationship with the parent outweighs
the benefit to the child of placement in a new adoptive home.” (Caden C., supra,
11 Cal.5th at p. 632.) “By making this decision, the trial court determines whether
terminating parental rights serves the child’s best interests.” (Ibid.) “Because
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the relationship, courts must assume that terminating parental rights terminates the
relationship. [Citations.] What courts need to determine, therefore, is how the child
would be affected by losing the parental relationship–in effect, what life would be like for
the child in an adoptive home without the parent in the child’s life.” (Id. at p. 633.)
The evidence supported the premise that the parents loved the children, and the
children loved the parents. However, the evidence set forth above, particularly that
surrounding visitation, also made clear the negative effects on the children of interaction
with the parents. This is substantial evidence supporting the juvenile court’s
determination that terminating parental rights would not be detrimental to the children.
The parents argue that the juvenile court improperly weighed who would be the
better caregiver, the parents or the foster parents. “When it weighs whether termination
would be detrimental, the court is not comparing the parent’s attributes as custodial
caregiver relative to those of any potential adoptive parent(s). Nothing that happens at
the section 366.26 hearing allows the child to return to live with the parent. [Citation.]
Accordingly, courts should not look to whether the parent can provide a home for the
child; the question is just whether losing the relationship with the parent would harm the
child to an extent not outweighed, on balance, by the security of a new, adoptive home.
[Citation.] Even where it may never make sense to permit the child to live with the
parent, termination may be detrimental. [Citation.] And the section 366.26 hearing is
decidedly not a contest of who would be the better custodial caregiver.” (Caden C.,
supra, 11 Cal.5th at p. 634.)
We conclude the juvenile court appropriately assessed whether the harm from
severing the children’s relationships with the parents outweighed the benefit to the
children of permanent placement in adoptive homes, and concluded that it did not.
(Caden C., supra, 11 Cal.5th at p. 631.) In so doing, the court determined that
terminating parental rights served the children’s best interests. (Id. at p. 632.) The
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judging a contest between the relative fitness of the parents versus the placement
caregivers, but rather to address “whether losing the relationship with the parent[s] would
harm the child[ren] to an extent not outweighed, on balance, by the security of a new,
adoptive home[s].” (Id. at p. 634; see id. at p. 631.)
We conclude that the juvenile court’s factual findings are supported by substantial
evidence, and it did not abuse its discretion in determining that termination of parental
rights would not be detrimental to the children. The juvenile court did not err in
concluding the parents failed to meet their burden of establishing the applicability of the
beneficial parental relationship exception.
II
Termination Versus Guardianship
Under separate headings, the parents argue that it was error for the juvenile court
to terminate parental rights when guardianship was the appropriate permanent plan. The
parents’ arguments are, in effect, a reframing of their arguments that the juvenile court
erred in concluding that the parents failed to establish the applicability of the beneficial
parental relationship exception.
For example, mother argues that adoption “is not the only option available to a
court, rather, it is a preference which is overcome by a strong parent-child relationship.”
She discusses the fact that the “Legislature has codified exceptions to the adoption
preference, courts must engage in a comparative analysis,” and that the courts must
assess “the harm that would ensue to the children if their relationship with their parents
were completely severed.” That is what the juvenile court did in concluding that the
beneficial parental relationship exception did not apply. Mother concludes that, “[i]n
light of the modest benefits, if any, to be gained through adoption over guardianship in
this case, and also the evidence of harm that would ensue from terminating the parental
relationship, it was an abuse of discretion to weigh those factors in favor of adoption.”
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argument, and (2) in effect, a request that reweigh the evidence, which, as a reviewing
court, we do not do. (In re Jaime R. (2001) 90 Cal.App.4th 766, 774.)
The father’s argument under this heading even more clearly states: “When a
parent establishes that a statutory exception applied, as the parents did in this case
through the testimonies of the boys, then adoption or termination of parental rights was
no longer in the child’s best interest. [Citations.] The court prejudicially erred in finding
the beneficial parental exception inapplicable in this case.”
We have concluded that the juvenile court did not err in concluding the parents
failed to establish that the beneficial parental relationship exception applied.
We also disagree with the father’s argument that the juvenile court abused its
discretion by considering only two alternatives, adoption or long-term foster care,
ignoring guardianship. Under section 366.26, “the court shall terminate parental rights to
allow for adoption” unless one of the statutory exceptions is shown to apply. (Caden C.,
supra, 11 Cal.5th at pp. 630-631.) The court determined that the parents failed to
establish “termination would be detrimental to the child[ren] for at least one specifically
enumerated reason.” (Ibid.) Therefore, the court properly terminated parental rights.
Additionally, we note that the juvenile court’s express denial of the request for
guardianship demonstrates that it did not ignore this option.
Mother also makes arguments addressed to Ma.B.’s objections to termination,
which we will address in part V below.
III
Whether Parents’ Actions Diminished Their Bond with the Children
Under another separate heading, father makes, and mother joins in, another
argument concerning the beneficial parental relationship exception. They argue the
Department failed to meet its burden of proving that the parental actions which triggered
dependency diminished the children’s strong bond with the parents. The parents assert
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The Supreme Court in Caden C. specified that a parent’s ongoing struggles with
issues that led to dependency are not a categorical bar to application of the exception, and
it is not the case that the exception only applies where a parent has made sufficient
progress in addressing the issues that led to dependency. (Caden C., supra, 11 Cal.5th at
p. 637.) The court disapproved of “opinions that have held issues leading to dependency
(1) were relevant in their own right apart from their relevance to the elements of the
exception; (2) were relevant because they led to dependency; or (3) were relevant simply
because they might keep the parent from regaining custody.” (Id. at p. 638, fn. 7.)
However, the court also stated that issues “such as those that led to dependency often
prove relevant to the application of the exception,” and that a “parent’s struggles may
mean that interaction between parent and child at least sometimes has a ‘ “negative”
effect’ on the child.” (Id. at p. 637.)
In a passage emphasized by the parents, the juvenile court stated: “ ‘I do not
believe [the parents’] consistent visits negate[] the reasons why the children are in care or
prove that it would not be in the best interest of the children to terminate parental rights.
[¶] Throughout the life of these cases, the parents have been unable to even progress to
unsupervised contact with the children given the nature of the case and the nature of their
behavior. [¶] I believe that the children deserve the permanency with their current
resource homes rather than continuing to languish in foster care with a high level of
visitation with the parents.’ ”
The parents argue that the juvenile court improperly used their ongoing struggles
with the issues that led to dependency “as a basis for determining the fate of the parental
relationship by assigning blame or making moral judgments about parental fitness.” We
conclude, however, that the court considered these issues as “relevant to the application
of the exception.” (Caden C., supra, 11 Cal.5th at p. 637.) Consideration of these issues
suggested that “interaction between parent and child at least sometimes has a ‘ “negative”
effect’ on the child[ren].” (Ibid.) The children’s apprehension about visitation, and their

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negative behavior surrounding it, suggested that the issues that led to dependency
contributed to negative effects on the children.
Contrary to the parents’ arguments, the juvenile court did not determine the
beneficial parental relationship exception did not apply, or terminate parental rights,
because of the parents’ conduct that led to dependency, and the court did not employ an
incorrect burden of proof.
IV
The Sibling Relationship Exception
The parents argue that another exception, the sibling relationship exception,
applied and foreclosed termination of parental rights. We again disagree.
The sibling relationship exception applies where the “court finds a compelling
reason for determining that termination would be detrimental to the child” because there
“would be substantial interference with a child’s sibling relationship, taking into
consideration the nature and extent of the relationship, including, but not limited to,
whether the child was raised with a sibling in the same home, whether the child shared
significant common experiences or has existing close and strong bonds with a sibling,
and whether ongoing contact is in the child’s best interest, including the child’s long-term
emotional interest, as compared to the benefit of legal permanence through adoption.”
(§ 366.26, subd. (c)(1)(B)(v).) “The sibling relationship exception contains ‘strong
language creating a heavy burden for the party opposing adoption.’ ” (In re Isaiah S.
(2016) 5 Cal.App.5th 428, 437.) “The court considers the best interests of the adoptive
child, not the best interests of other siblings.” (Id. at p. 438.)
Thus, “[u]nder section 366.26, subdivision (c)(1)(B)(v), the juvenile court ‘is
directed first to determine whether terminating parental rights would substantially
interfere with the sibling relationship . . . .’ [Citations.] ‘If the court determines
terminating parental rights would substantially interfere with the sibling relationship, the
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relationship against the benefit the child would receive by the permanency of adoption.’ ”
(In re D.O. (2016) 247 Cal.App.4th 166, 173-174.)
“We apply the substantial evidence standard of review to the court’s factual
findings regarding the applicability of the sibling relationship exception, ‘and the abuse
of discretion standard to the court’s weighing of competing interests.’ ” (In re Isaiah S.,
supra, 5 Cal.App.5th at p. 438.)
We first note that, because it proved impossible to place all eight children
together, they were placed in four homes. The three boys were placed together, N.B. and
So.B. were placed together, F.B. and Z.B. were placed together, and Sa.B. was placed
alone. With each household planning to adopt the children placed therein, each of these
groups would remain together.
As for whether the siblings were raised in the same home, their circumstances
varied considerably based on their ages. As stated, when these proceedings commenced
in 2022, Ma.B., the oldest child, was 12 years old and had lived at home with the parents
for most of that time. B.B. was seven years old upon detention, the male Sam.B. was six,
N.B. was five, the female Sa.B. was four, So.B. was three, F.B. was two, and Z.B. was 10
months old. By the time of the section 366.26 hearing in April 2025, the children had
been in foster care for more than two and a half years. Thus, the two youngest children
had been in foster care for longer than they lived with the parents and their siblings, and
all of the children had spent a substantial portion of their lives in foster care.
The siblings did share a bond, although the nature of these bonds varied. The
evidence suggests, not surprisingly, that each child shared closer bonds with siblings with
whom he or she was housed. The boys expressed a desire to remain together. The
juvenile court stated that it believed it to be in the best interests of the children to
maintain their sibling bonds. It also acknowledged that “the individuals that are together
share significant common experiences,” and that, while Sa.B. was on her own, she shared
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The juvenile court stated that the attorney for the children noted the “homes where
the children are now, . . . they will continue that sibling relationship, that sibling bond.”
In determining whether the sibling relationship exception applies, the juvenile court may
consider “a proven history of, and expressed commitment to, sibling visits.” (In re D.O.,
supra, 247 Cal.App.4th at p. 175.) The juvenile court stated that it believed that sibling
visits “will continue once parental rights are terminated and the adoptions go forward.”
On this point, CDSS in its adoption assessment reports stated that “Saturday visits
between the children continue at the discretion of the foster parents of all of the children.
These visits continue to facilitate a bond between the siblings and will continue after the
children are ordered into permanent plans thus ensuring termination of parental rights
will not sever any sibling relationships.” According to addendum report number six, the
four resource families had “developed strong connections with one another, and are
committed to maintaining sibling contact outside of the current scheduled visits. They
often meet at local venues for ice cream, food, and/or to celebrate holiday events. The
resource families have committed to a minimum of once a month visitation.” At the
section 366.26 hearing, each of the three boys testified that they saw their sisters outside
of the parent visits, and that, except for Sam.B., they saw them at a fast-food restaurant
days earlier. The two older boys testified, in April 2025, that the prior sibling visit may
have been three or four months earlier or “[l]ast year.”
Having contemplated relevant considerations, the juvenile court found that the
sibling relationship exception did not apply. Based on its finding that sibling visitation
“will continue once parental rights are terminated and the adoptions go forward,” the
juvenile court impliedly found that termination of parental rights would not substantially
interfere with the sibling relationships. We agree.
The parents argue that the juvenile court’s failure to issue sibling visitation orders,
and the Department’s failure to provide for sibling visitation, “had a dramatic and
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parents claim that, as of February 22, 2024, sibling visitation was not taking place.
However, they do not provide a record citation for this factual averment. (See County of
Sacramento v. Singh (2021) 65 Cal.App.5th 858, 861 [appellate briefs must “provide a
citation to the record for a factual assertion,” and “ ‘[w]e may disregard factual
contentions that are not supported by citations to the record [citation] or are based on
information that is outside the record’ ”]; see also rule 8.204(a)(1)(C).)
The parents note that, in a status review report dated November 16, 2023, a social
worker reported having coordinated sibling visits among all four placement homes. The
report states: “Social Worker . . . has coordinated separate sibling visits for all four foster
homes to have just sibling visitation with each other. Social Worker . . . has also
coordinated sibling visitation between [Ma.B.], [B.B.], and [Sam.B.] to have video calls
with [Sa.B.]. Recently [Ma.B.], [B.B.], and [Sam.B.] asked that Social Worker . . . to
coordinate a sleep over for them to have with [N.B.], and [So.B.’s] foster home. Social
Worker . . . intends to coordinate this in the near future . . . . All foster families have
consistent contact with one another, and share photos frequently regarding the children,
how they are doing, and accomplishments they are achieving.” The parents argue,
however, that “no days, times or places were identified in the report.” That these details
did not appear in the report does not disprove the report’s representations.
The parents conclude: “[T]here was an absence of any court order requiring
sibling visitation. As a result, the foster parents did not facilitate that visitation other than
one simple sibling meal together . . . one week prior to the Section 366.26 Hearing.
Logic would dictate that if the foster parents didn’t facilitate sibling visitation during the
reunification period or permanency planning, it is highly unlikely the siblings will ever
see each other if they are adopted by the separate families.”
The parents have not established that the representations in the record were untrue.
In our review, we do not “reweigh the evidence, or resolve evidentiary conflicts. Rather,
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favorably to the juvenile court’s order, and affirm the order if supported by substantial
evidence even if other evidence supports a contrary conclusion.” (In re L.Y.L. (2002)
101 Cal.App.4th 942, 947.)
Courts have emphasized the “rarity with which the sibling relationship exception
applies.” (In re D.O., supra, 247 Cal.App.4th at p. 174.) We agree with the juvenile
court that the parents failed to prove that the exception applied here.
V
Ma.B.’s Objection to Termination of Parental Rights
The parents state that Ma.B., who was 14 years old, objected to the termination of
parental rights and testified that he did not want to be adopted if that meant losing his
relationships with his parents and siblings. This, they argue, established the statutory
exception to the termination of parental rights under section 366.26, subdivision
(c)(1)(B)(ii). We disagree.
The statutory exception in section 366.26, subdivision (c)(1)(B)(ii), applies where
the court finds a compelling reason for determining that termination will be detrimental
to the child because “ ‘[a] child 12 years of age or older objects to termination of parental
rights.’ ” It was the parents’ burden to prove the applicability of the exception. (In re
Christopher L. (2006) 143 Cal.App.4th 1326, 1335.)
The juvenile court questioned Ma.B. at length about his wishes, as did the
attorneys for the parents. Ma.B.’s responses conveyed some ambivalence and confusion.
However, generally, while he expressed a desire to return home to the parents, he did not
object to adoption. He ranked his choices, in order from most to least desirable:
returning home to the parents, staying at his foster home while maintaining a relationship
with the parents, and adoption with no relationship with the parents. He did not object to
adoption. He stated that he was “fine being adopted by” his foster mother. While he
expressed his desire to continue to have a relationship with his parents, he also stated that
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best [sic] to be adopted,” “for you and your brothers,” Ma.B. responded, “Yeah.” He
stated that he liked living with his foster parents, that “[i]t’s great,” and that they took
good care of him. When the father’s attorney asked if he had said he thought it was best
for him to be adopted, he responded, “Yeah.” When asked, “if you had the ability to say
yes or no to whether you wanted to be adopted, what would you say,” Ma.B. responded:
“I would say, no. Yeah.” In short, Ma.B. did not unequivocally object to adoption. (See
In re Christopher L., supra, 143 Cal.App.4th at pp. 1334-1335 [child did not
unequivocally object to termination of parental rights; substantial evidence supported
juvenile court’s finding that the exception did not apply].)
The parents argue that Ma.B. was not “provided with clarification of his legal
rights as late as April 1, 2025,” and that the juvenile court was obligated to inform Ma.B.
of all of his options. They emphasize his testimony expressing uncertainty about the
nature of his relationship with the parents in the event he was adopted. They also
emphasize the children’s attorney’s statement to the court that he “did not speak to
[Ma.B.] after the testimony. I did not want to influence him or change anything that the
Court had heard.” Counsel continued, “I heard that he did want to continue contact. . . .
And, you know, the benefit from continuing contact, I don’t feel even in [Ma.B.’s] case,
is going to be appropriate.”
Ma.B. addressed three “options,” including returning home; staying in foster care
while still having a relationship with the parents, which would involve guardianship; and
adoption with no ongoing relationship with his parents. He ranked the latter as his least
desirable option. But the fact remains that he was aware of all of these options, he had
ambivalent feelings about adoption, and he did not unequivocally object to adoption.
(See In re Christopher L., supra, 143 Cal.App.4th at pp. 1334-1335.)
Additionally, as suggested when the juvenile court briefly touched on whether
Ma.B. objected to adoption, even if Ma.B. had unequivocally objected, the court still
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determining that termination would be detrimental to the child . . . .” (§ 366.26, subd.
(c)(1)(B)(ii).) Analogizing to the beneficial parental relationship exception, the parents
argue that the juvenile court erred. They state that the Supreme Court in Caden C.
criticized “double consideration” by courts, and that the Supreme Court “specifically
disapproved of prior opinions which had engaged in that practice.” However, contrary
to the parents’ suggestion, this subdivision does not create an older child “veto.”
The Supreme Court in Caden C. stated that, once the applicability of the beneficial
parental relationship exception had been established based on the three elements it
identified, the exception applied, and courts do not undertake to further determine
whether an additional “compelling reason” supports applying the exception. (Caden C.,
supra, 11 Cal.5th at pp. 635-637 & fn. 5.) However, derived from the language of
section 366.26, the beneficial parental relationship exception discussed in Caden C.
includes the third element, that “the termination of parental rights would be detrimental
to the child.” (Caden C., at p. 631; see § 366.26, subd. (c)(1)(B).) And in “assessing
whether termination would be detrimental, the trial court must decide whether the harm
from severing the child’s relationship with the parent outweighs the benefit to the child of
placement in a new adoptive home.” (Caden C., at p. 632.)
Based on the same statutory language, for the older child objection exception to
apply, the parents had to establish that termination of parental rights over Ma.B.’s
unequivocal objection would be detrimental to him. (§ 366.26, subd. (c)(1)(B)(ii).) We
conclude the parents failed to make that showing. Based on Ma.B.’s ambivalent attitudes
toward adoption, and the absence of proof that termination of parental rights would be
detrimental, we conclude that the parents failed to satisfy their burden of proving the
applicability of the older child objection exception. (See § 366.26, subd. (c)(1)(B)(ii).)
Lastly, we reject the parents’ additional contention, raised under another separate
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and the section 366.26 exceptions. We have concluded the juvenile court did not err in
its consideration of the section 366.26 exceptions and in applying Caden C.
VI
Appointment of One Attorney for All Children
The parents argue that the juvenile court erred in appointing only one attorney for
all eight children. The parents claim that there was a reasonable likelihood that an actual
conflict of interest would arise among the siblings. We disagree.
“When first appointing counsel in a dependency matter, the court may generally
appoint a single attorney to represent all the siblings.” (In re Celine R. (2003) 31 Cal.4th
45, 58 (Celine R.); see rule 5.660(c)(1)(A).) The juvenile court “would have to appoint
separate attorneys if, but only if, there is an actual conflict among the siblings or if
circumstances specific to the case—not just the potential for conflict that inheres in all
multisibling dependency cases—present a reasonable likelihood an actual conflict will
arise.” (Celine R., at p. 58; see rule 5.660(c)(1)(B).) “If these specific circumstances
exist, the court should appoint separate counsel at the outset rather than await an actual
conflict and the possible disruption a later reappointment may cause.” (Celine R., at
p. 58.) “After the initial appointment, the court will have to relieve counsel from multiple
representation if, but only if, an actual conflict arises.” (Ibid.) “It is not necessary for an
attorney to withdraw from representing some or all of the siblings if there is merely a
reasonable likelihood that an actual conflict of interest will develop.” (Rule
5.660(c)(2)(C).) “A conflict arises where minor’s counsel seeks a course of action for
one child with adverse consequences to the other.” (In re Barbara R. (2006)
137 Cal.App.4th 941, 953.)
The parents argue that, between the time attorney Wahlberg was appointed on
September 29, 2022, and when attorney Vasquez was appointed to replace him on
January 11, 2024, “numerous reports and hearings were held identifying numerous
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conflict of interest would arise among the siblings mandating the appointment for
separate counsel for the siblings, or at a minimum, the sibling groups.” However, the
only argument the parents make specific to this case relies on section 361.2 and its
requirement of sibling visitation. The parents argue: “The department failed to address
sibling visitation and the appropriateness of the separate placements of the children in
separate counties. The juvenile court orders failed to include mandated sibling visitation
orders, and the record does not reflect the issues ever being addressed before the
appointment of Attorney Vasquez. These are circumstances specific to this case and
represented a reasonable likelihood that an actual conflict of interest would arise among
the siblings.”
What the parents do not do, however, is adequately explain, based on
“circumstances specific to the case” (Celine R., supra, 31 Cal.4th at p. 58), how there was
a reasonable likelihood that an actual conflict of interest would arise among the siblings
and what the nature of that conflict was (see generally rule 5.660(c)(1)(B)(ii)). Instead,
they only state that sibling visitation was not ordered, and then assert in conclusory
fashion that these circumstances “represented a reasonable likelihood that an actual
conflict of interest would arise among the siblings.” Under the rules of appellate
procedure, “ ‘[w]e may disregard legal arguments that are not supported by citations to
legal authority [citation] or are conclusory [citation].’ [Citations.] Further, we may treat
a point that is not supported by cogent legal argument as forfeited.’ ” (County of
Sacramento v. Singh, supra, 65 Cal.App.5th 858, 861; see rule 8.204(a)(1)(B).) We do so
here.
VII
Ineffective Assistance of Counsel
The parents argue that the children were deprived of the effective assistance of
counsel. They argue that there existed an actual conflict of interest because the parents
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exception, and the boys’ testimony supported their arguments. They argue that Vasquez
was ineffective because he: failed to protect the children’s right to placement together;
failed to advance compelling arguments in favor of guardianship for the boys; and failed
to communicate with Ma.B. in the lead up to termination of parental rights. The
Department argues that the parents lack standing to raise ineffective assistance of the
children’s counsel. Even assuming the parents have standing to raise the issue, they
again fail (1) to satisfy the requirements of appellate procedure, and (2) to demonstrate
prejudice.
The rules of appellate procedure require, among other things, citation to authority,
if possible, and “a citation to the record for a factual assertion. [Citations.] ‘[W]e may
disregard factual contentions that are not supported by citations to the record [citation] or
are based on information that is outside the record.” (County of Sacramento v. Singh,
supra, 65 Cal.App.5th at p. 861; see rule 8.204(a)(1)(C).) In the section of her brief
devoted to this claim, the mother includes a single citation to the record, despite
advancing several factual contentions.
In any event, to prevail on a claim of ineffective assistance of counsel, a party
must show (1) counsel’s performance fell below an objective standard of reasonableness
under prevailing professional norms, and (2) the deficient performance prejudiced that
party. (Strickland v. Washington (1984) 466 U.S. 668, 691-692; People v. Ledesma
(1987) 43 Cal.3d 171, 216-217.) To show prejudice, the party must show a reasonable
probability that he or she would have received a more favorable result had counsel’s
performance not been deficient. (Strickland, at pp. 693-694; Ledesma, at pp. 217-218.)
In the assertions addressed to prejudice, the parents argue, “it can be maintained
with confidence that a different result had Attorney Vasquez zealously advocated for a
single or fewer placements and certainly for sibling visitation termination of parental
rights would not have resulted had all the children been provided strong and impartial
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certainty.” Later, they argue that the “inevitable sibling rivalry” that would ensue if
Ma.B. successfully objected to adoption while B.B. and Sam.B. were adopted “would be
avoided if parental rights were not terminated and guardianships were established, but
Attorney Vasquez did not present strong arguments that were available in support of
guardianship for the boys.”
None of these cursory arguments are sufficient to establish that, even assuming for
argument’s sake that the children’s attorney’s performance fell below an objective
standard of reasonableness under prevailing professional norms, there was a reasonable
probability that any or all of the children would have achieved a more favorable result
had counsel’s performance not been deficient.
VIII
ICWA Compliance
The parents argue that the Department failed to comply with the inquiry
requirements of the ICWA, and the juvenile court erred because it did not ensure the
Department complied with the ICWA. We agree.
“The juvenile court and child welfare agency ‘have “an affirmative and continuing
duty” in every dependency proceeding to determine whether ICWA applies by inquiring
whether a child is or may be an Indian child.’ [Citations.] The duty to inquire begins
with the initial contact with the reporting party, and it continues with the child welfare
agency’s ‘first contact with the child and each family member, including extended family
members.’ [Citations.] The duty of inquiry continues throughout the dependency
proceedings.” (In re Claudia R. (2025) 115 Cal.App.5th 76, 84 (Claudia R.).)
“Under section 224.2, subdivision (b)(2), once a child is placed into the temporary
custody of a ‘county welfare department,’ the duty to inquire ‘includes, but is not limited
to, asking the child, parents, legal guardian, Indian custodian, extended family members,
others who have an interest in the child, and the party reporting child abuse or neglect,
whether the child is, or may be, an Indian child.’ [Citations.] An ‘extended family

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member,’ if not defined by the law or custom of the child’s Indian tribe, includes ‘a
person who has reached the age of eighteen and who is the Indian child’s grandparent,
aunt or uncle, brother or sister, brother-in-law or sister-in-law, niece or nephew, first or
second cousin, or stepparent.’ ” (Claudia R., supra, 115 Cal.App.5th at pp. 84-85.)
“The duty of further inquiry is triggered under section 224.2, subdivision (e), ‘[i]f
the court, [or] social worker, or probation officer has reason to believe that an Indian
child is involved in a proceeding, but does not have sufficient information to determine
that there is reason to know that the child is an Indian child.’ [Citations.] Further inquiry
includes ‘(1) interviewing the parents and extended family members; (2) contacting the
Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) and State Department of Social Services; and (3)
contacting tribes the child may be affiliated with and anyone else that might have
information regarding the child’s membership or eligibility in a tribe.’ ” (Claudia R.,
supra, 115 Cal.App.5th at p. 85.)
An agency also has a duty to document its inquiry in compliance with rule
5.481(a)(5). (In re Dezi C. (2024) 16 Cal.5th 1112, 1136 (Dezi C.).)
We review claims of inadequate inquiry into a child’s Native American ancestry
for substantial evidence. (§ 224.2, subd. (i)(2); H.A. v. Superior Court (2024)
101 Cal.App.5th 956, 961; Dezi C., supra, 16 Cal.5th at p. 1134.) “[T]he juvenile court’s
fact-specific determination that an inquiry is adequate, proper, and duly diligent is ‘a
quintessentially discretionary function’ [citation] subject to a deferential standard of
review.” (Dezi C., at p. 1141.) “ ‘On a well-developed record, the court has relatively
broad discretion to determine whether the agency’s inquiry was proper, adequate, and
duly diligent on the specific facts of the case. However, the less developed the record,
the more limited that discretion necessarily becomes.’ ” (In re Kenneth D. (2024)
16 Cal.5th 1087, 1101-1102.)
Father filed parental notification of Indian status forms (ICWA-020) for each child
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above apply.” Father grew up in India and did not immigrate to the United States until he
was 17 years old. Ma.B.’s father filed an ICWA-020 form as to Ma.B., also checking the
box indicating that “[n]one of the above apply.”
Mother filed ICWA-020 forms as to each child, and checked the box stating, “I am
or may be a member of, or eligible for membership in, a federally recognized Indian
tribe.” According to the Department, on October 12, 2022, a legal secretary called the
mother. The mother stated that she may have eligibility in the Cherokee tribe and another
tribe.
The Department filed a notice of child custody proceeding for Indian child form
(ICWA-030) for each child, stating that the children were or may be eligible for
membership in the Cherokee or Nansemond tribes. The completed ICWA-030 forms
included the names of the parents, the maternal grandparents, and the maternal great-
grandparents, as well as any known address and date and place of birth information.
Notice was provided to the Sacramento Area Director of the Bureau of Indian Affairs, the
United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee, the Nansemond Indian Tribe, the Eastern Band of
Cherokee Indians, and Cherokee Nation. Cherokee Nation, the Eastern Band of
Cherokee Indians, and the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee responded that the
children were not members and not eligible. No response was noted for the Nansemond
Indian Tribe. The Department re-noticed the Nansemond Indian tribe.
In an October 23, 2024, letter to the juvenile court, a social worker stated that the
mother’s sister reported that there may be Native American ancestry in the Cherokee
tribe on their mother’s side, and identified two relatives by name who may have been
Native American. She stated that no one in her family was enrolled in a Native American
tribe, and no one had lived on a Native American reservation. According to addendum
report number two, a maternal aunt stated that she had no Native American ancestry, tribe
membership, or eligibility, but stated that she believed the mother’s mother was an
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On January 28, 2025, the legal secretary contacted the United Keetoowah Band of
Cherokee Indians, Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, and Cherokee Nation to inquire
about the mother, and all three responded that she was not an enrolled member.
The Department did make some effort to comply with the ICWA inquiry
requirements. However, as mother argues, there are many maternal relatives the
Department was aware of in reference to whom there is no record that it made ICWA
inquiries. These relatives included, among others, several of the mother’s 12 living
siblings. “Agencies are already tasked with investigating the circumstances underlying
the child’s removal and identifying and locating the child’s extended family members
[citation]; it is a rather simple task to ask those family members about Indian ancestry in
this process. In fact, courts have characterized the duty of inquiry as ‘slight and swift.’ ”
(Dezi C., supra, 16 Cal.5th at p. 1143.) “Thus, the Dezi C. court envisioned that a child
welfare agency’s investigation would include an investigation into the circumstances of
the referral and the extended (and other) family members for purposes of placement of
the child and ICWA.” (Claudia R., supra, 115 Cal.App.5th at p. 87.) Section 224.2
“ ‘does not require the agency to “find” unknown relatives and others who have an
interest in the child, merely to make reasonable inquiries.’ ” (Dezi C., at p. 1140.)
However, the “ ‘operative concept is those people who are reasonably available to help
the agency with its investigation into whether the child has any potential Indian ancestry
should be asked.’ ” (Ibid.)
We conclude there is no substantial evidence that the Department’s ICWA inquiry
was adequate, and the juvenile court erred in determining that the Department satisfied
the requirements of the ICWA. We will conditionally reverse the orders terminating
parental rights and remand for the limited purpose of compliance with the inquiry and
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IX
Cumulative Error
The parents argue that reversal is required based on the cumulative effect of the
juvenile court’s errors. We have found no error beyond that related to the Department’s
ICWA inquiry. Thus, there are no additional errors to aggregate. We reject the parents’
cumulative error claim. (See People v. Vieira (2005) 35 Cal.4th 264, 305; see also
People v. Richie (1994) 28 Cal.App.4th 1347, 1364, fn. 6.)
X
Reversal as to One Parent Mandates Reversal as to the Other Parent
The parents argue that reversal of the termination of parental rights of one parent
mandates reversal as to the other parent. We are not, however, outright reversing as to
either parent. The parents’ argument is moot.

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DISPOSITION
The orders terminating parental rights are conditionally reversed, and the matter is
remanded for the limited purpose of complying with the inquiry and notice provisions of
the ICWA, as well as the requirements of sections 224.2 and 224.3 and the
documentation provisions of rule 5.481(a)(5). If the juvenile court thereafter finds a
further inquiry was proper and adequate, due diligence has been conducted, and
concludes the ICWA does not apply, the orders shall be reinstated. If, however, the
juvenile court concludes the ICWA applies, the juvenile court is ordered to conduct a
new section 366.26 hearing and proceed in accordance with the ICWA and California
implementing provisions.

\s\
Krause, J.

We concur:

\s\
Earl, P. J.

\s\
Mauro, J.

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